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Saw palmetto and Pomegranate juice for Prosate support for on or off cycle

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    Interesting read. But experience found 1500mgs to be effective amount of Saw palmetto while on cycle anyways. I would anticipate needed more than 8oz of pomegranate to reduce estrogen on cycle as well.

    How Much Saw Palmetto Should You Take to Block DHT?

    By Joanne MarieMay 08, 2015

    In men, the prostate is a gland the size and shape of a walnut that surrounds part of the urethra, and makes some of the fluid portion of semen. The prostate can enlarge and cause urinary problems in a non-cancerous condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia, or BPH. Enlarged prostate affects more than half of men older than 60, according to the National Kidney and Urologic Diseases Information Clearinghouse. An herbal remedy from the saw palmetto plant (Serenoa repens) may help improve this problem by reducing levels of a male hormone called dihydrotestosterone, or DHT, that's involved in BPH.

    SAW PALMETTO

    The saw palmetto plant produces small berries that contain several natural compounds with biological activity. These include a group of fatty compounds called plant sterols, such as beta-sitosterol, campesterol and stigmasterol. These compounds have anti-inflammatory activity, according to experts at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, and may also block the activity of a cellular enzyme called 5-alpha reductase. This enzyme converts the main male sex hormone, testosterone, into its metabolite, DHT. Although the cause of BPH is not totally understood, excess production of DHT in the gland is probably involved. Saw palmetto compounds may reduce the amount of DHT available to prostate cells by as much as 40 percent, according to Sloan-Kettering experts.

    THE RIGHT AMOUNT

    Saw palmetto is available at health-food stores as powdered berries in capsules, or as tinctures or extracts. For best results, choose standardized preparations that contain 85 to 95 percent fatty acids and sterols to minimize differences between batches. Although no minimum effective dose has been established, a dose of 160 milligrams taken twice daily produced positive results in clinical research studies, although it may take as long as 30 days for the supplement to be effective. Avoid consuming saw palmetto tea. Because many of its active components don't dissolve in water, the tea is likely ineffective for BPH.

    SIDE EFFECTS AND PRECAUTIONS

    Although generally considered a safe supplement, saw palmetto might cause mild stomach upset or headache, and shouldn't be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women, or by anyone with or at risk of a hormone-related cancer. It has blood-thinning properties and could interact with anticoagulant drugs, and it shouldn't be combined with prescription anti-BPH medications. It could affect receptors, or cellular binding sites, for sex hormones, so don't take it with oral contraceptives or hormone replacement therapy. Discuss use of saw palmetto with your doctor to decide whether it's a good choice for you.

    Related: Pomegranate Juice for Enlarged Prostate

    RESEARCH EVIDENCE

    Some research suggests that saw palmetto compounds may be helpful in controlling DHT production in men who already have BPH. In one clinical study published in the May 2001 issue of "Urology," researchers measured DHT levels in prostatic biopsy specimens from men with BPH who took either a saw palmetto supplement or a placebo for six months. They found that DHT levels were reduced by 32 percent in the group taking saw palmetto, compared to the placebo group. A review of several clinical trials published in the summer 2001 issue of "Reviews in Urology" reported that saw palmetto compounds can suppress DHT production and might be able to improve symptoms of BPH, but also noted that results of clinical trials are mixed, concluding that more research is needed to confirm the herb's potential benefit.

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    Pomegranate Juice for Enlarged Prostate

    By Joanne MarieOct 27, 2015

    The prostate gland is part of the male reproductive system. It surrounds a portion of the urethra and makes some components of semen. As a man ages, the prostate sometimes enlarges in a condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia, or BPH, a noncancerous condition. Prostate cancer, common in older men, also causes enlargement of some regions of the prostate. Pomegranate juice has natural medicinal properties that may help prevent or slow prostatic enlargement from either BPH or prostate cancer. Discuss pomegranate juice with your doctor to decide if it might help you.

    CAUSES, SYMPTOMS AND TESTING

    The exact causes of both BPH and prostate cancer are still unknown, although BPH may be due to age-related changes in sex hormones, and DNA damage may change normal prostate cells into cancerous cells. Both disorders can cause similar symptoms, including difficulty urinating with a weak stream of urine, a frequent urge to urinate and incomplete emptying of the bladder. Blood may appear in the urine at times, frequent urinary tract infections may occur, and, in prostate cancer, later stages may cause pelvic or hip pain and painful ejaculation. Elevated blood levels of prostate-specific antigen, or PSA, might indicate the presence of either BPH or prostate cancer; additional testing will confirm a final diagnosis.

    POMEGRANATE

    Pomegranate, also called Chinese apple, is the fruit of a large tree native to Iran and cultivated in many other parts of the world. Pomegranates contain hundreds of seeds, each surrounded by a juicy layer of pulp called the aril. Juice extracted from the arils is deep pink or red, and it contains many natural compounds, such as polyphenols, anthocyanins and ellagic acid, that have biological activity and give the juice its medicinal value.

    ACTIONS

    Pomegranate juice inhibits an enzyme that produces estrogen, which is a possible cause of BPH in older men, according to the National Kidney and Urologic Diseases Information Clearinghouse. Compounds in pomegranate juice are also potent antioxidants that remove free radicals from your body. These metabolic byproducts and environmental toxins may damage your cellular membranes or DNA, raising the risk that normal prostatic cells may become cancerous. The University of Maryland Medical Center summarizes laboratory studies indicating that pomegranate juice inhibits growth of cancer cells, causes them to die and reduces growth of blood vessels into tumors. In addition, in a clinical study of pomegranate juice published in "Clinical Cancer Research" in 2006, men who had surgery or radiation for prostate cancer and drank 8 ounces of pomegranate juice daily had a reduction in their rate of PSA production and other indications of slower regrowth of their cancer.



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    I have bph. I pound pomegranate juice daily. The only effective thing ive fond to work consistently is cialis.
    Estrogen is believed to be involved in bph but my concomitant use of ai didnt help.
    Newer studies are showing that hpv can be a cause in male bph. Unfortunately most of us have hpv and don't know.
     
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    I Always down 1,000mgs of it on cycle looking at this read i might just increase....
     
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    Ya, i use to take 500mgs, kinda wrote it off as junk. Then i heard from another bodybuilder the key is 1250+
    Bph is very common in 35+ cycle using males. Its mainly the dht conversion from test or straight dht products.
    I was very fond of durasteride on cycle, made a world of difference, but sometimes u get a bunk batch being black market. High dose saw is just as effective for me.
    How do u sleep taking cialis daily. I took a few days in a row for bp and damn wood would poke me in the chin and wake me up. Hehe

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    I wake up daily from painful erections. Its not just the cialis. Im on hcg,hmg, mast,primo ace and enan,proviron,tren ace,tren hex,test,winny,npp and gh with t3/4...... ive never been so horny in my life. I have a semi all day. The cialis is totally helping considering the dht in my stack lol
     
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    Holy shit guy, talk about conquering the world in 1 step. Would of been easier to list what you are not taking. Lol

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    Lol.... I like dht. I also like having a boner and being horny.... some real tough guy stuff....lmao
     
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    Saw Palmetto works great for me at low dose. Tren blows mine up - I think it is tren that gets me.
    I fact I am running to the sup shop today to get more and get some acidophilus
    I find when my prostate blows up- it ducks pissing- mostly ifI need to shit - (sorry - every one does it)
    I just need to figure out what all the blood is from some time when shitting- probably from the heavy squats and leg presses???
     
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    Bro if your shitting blood you either have hemorrhoids or an anal fissure. It could also be something worse. Get it checked out. I had the same issue for years until it got so bad I had a dr look. I was sent to a specialist and was in surgery that month. Apparently if I waited any longer it would have become colon cancer. Saved my life.
     
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